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Post by Brian on May 30, 2014 14:28:00 GMT -5
I honestly doubt Windows will ever die, nor will Linux ever become the go-to OS. Sure, it's becoming friendlier for gamers... slowly, but what makes an OS successful isn't the Gamer. It's businesses and your average consumer, which for a large part still does not consist of gamers. Also, gaming isn't moving over to linux, more are being playable on linux as well. Devs will never leave Windows, any dev that puts their game solely on Linux is never going to make a profit.
edit- And if you're basing this on Steam OS, I wouldn't put too much faith in that either. IMO it's going to be a failed venture, and Gabe going out and saying he will never support Windows after Windows 8 means absolute dick.
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Post by Tman on May 30, 2014 14:38:07 GMT -5
I honestly doubt Windows will ever die, nor will Linux ever become the go-to OS. Sure, it's becoming friendlier for gamers... slowly, but what makes an OS successful isn't the Gamer. It's businesses and your average consumer, which for a large part still does not consist of gamers. Also, gaming isn't moving over to linux, more are being playable on linux as well. Devs will never leave Windows, any dev that puts their game solely on Linux is never going to make a profit. edit- And if you're basing this on Steam OS, I wouldn't put too much faith in that either. IMO it's going to be a failed venture, and Gabe going out and saying he will never support Windows after Windows 8 means absolute dick. I agree, but it's coming up on OSX's ass pretty damn fast. '' It just requires a little work if you want things to work exactly one way or another. Which is something you usually don't have on Windows because it works this way and that's all.'' Not so much anymore. It's pretty much out of the box now, and of course, always improving. I do notice it's not as light as it use to be, but that's to be expected with improvements. lol @ your sig |
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Post by AuTo on May 31, 2014 19:41:36 GMT -5
I honestly doubt Windows will ever die, nor will Linux ever become the go-to OS. Sure, it's becoming friendlier for gamers... slowly, but what makes an OS successful isn't the Gamer. It's businesses and your average consumer, which for a large part still does not consist of gamers. Also, gaming isn't moving over to linux, more are being playable on linux as well. Devs will never leave Windows, any dev that puts their game solely on Linux is never going to make a profit. edit- And if you're basing this on Steam OS, I wouldn't put too much faith in that either. IMO it's going to be a failed venture, and Gabe going out and saying he will never support Windows after Windows 8 means absolute dick. I doubt it will. Its not SteamOS that will take off, its the distros that are based on it. Its open source and Valve is making SteamOS specifically for gaming, so now you wont need all the excess crap included in Windows, so no more 30% resource usage and you will be down to 2% usage. Imagine all that extra RAM and CPU usage. |
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Post by Eiffel on May 31, 2014 20:03:53 GMT -5
I honestly doubt Windows will ever die, nor will Linux ever become the go-to OS. Sure, it's becoming friendlier for gamers... slowly, but what makes an OS successful isn't the Gamer. It's businesses and your average consumer, which for a large part still does not consist of gamers. Also, gaming isn't moving over to linux, more are being playable on linux as well. Devs will never leave Windows, any dev that puts their game solely on Linux is never going to make a profit. edit- And if you're basing this on Steam OS, I wouldn't put too much faith in that either. IMO it's going to be a failed venture, and Gabe going out and saying he will never support Windows after Windows 8 means absolute dick. I doubt it will. Its not SteamOS that will take off, its the distros that are based on it. Its open source and Valve is making SteamOS specifically for gaming, so now you wont need all the excess crap included in Windows, so no more 30% resource usage and you will be down to 2% usage. Imagine all that extra RAM and CPU usage. It's viable as a gaming platform, but not for anyone else who needs more than just that. Speaking as someone who works with media and general art I have programs that may or may not work with Linux, most probably do not. Unless Linux finds a way to gain more footing as a desktop OS with stronger party support for software then I don't see myself ever shifting. I like being able to play games and work with any program on the same device. |
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Post by MidnytRain on May 31, 2014 20:23:32 GMT -5
Linux is where its at now. Windows is dying. Gaming is making its move to Linux. If you can set up and maintain a Linux server, RHEL workstations, and write games for Nix, you will be as rich as Our Lord GabeN People keep saying this. I'm not trying to call you a liar or anything, but I can name several big games (Battlefield, Wolfenstein, Watch Dogs, Titanfall, Child of Light), that aren't for linux even in just the past month. As an average guy, I can't see what you're talking about. Even Call of Duty isn't listed for linux in the Steam store. |
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Post by bladesfist on Jun 1, 2014 3:27:30 GMT -5
Linux is not even viable as a gaming platform as it lacks support. As for Windows memory usage it does not really matter when I have 16GB of ram in my system and CPU usage is very minimal when windows is idling. Skype is currently using more CPU than windows which shows you just how small it's footprint is.
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Post by Tman on Jun 1, 2014 3:33:39 GMT -5
There's no doubt things are going to take some time to get worked out properly so Linux is functioning like Windows for gamers and business applications and more alot like OSX is to it, but lets keep in mind, this is just people doing it for free, no big corporate monies like MS or Apple has to back it up, save Valve but I see that as more of a joke. Doesn't seem to be taking it more seriously than they should. imo. They could do way better than they have. But I'm just going to follow along with new releases and let things progress that way.
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Post by bladesfist on Jun 1, 2014 3:50:07 GMT -5
There's no doubt things are going to take some time to get worked out properly so Linux is functioning like Windows for gamers and business applications and more alot like OSX is to it, but lets keep in mind, this is just people doing it for free, no big corporate monies like MS or Apple has to back it up, save Valve but I see that as more of a joke. Doesn't seem to be taking it more seriously than they should. imo. They could do way better than they have. But I'm just going to follow along with new releases and let things progress that way. I was talking mainly about manufactures and proper driver support for the OS. No point in saving a few system resources if it is negated by the current state of drivers on linux. |
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Post by AuTo on Jun 1, 2014 11:14:27 GMT -5
Linux is not even viable as a gaming platform as it lacks support. As for Windows memory usage it does not really matter when I have 16GB of ram in my system and CPU usage is very minimal when windows is idling. Skype is currently using more CPU than windows which shows you just how small it's footprint is. False. In fact, it has more support than that of microsoft. How you say? Microsoft pays a limited number of employees, which are usually just college kids working in call centers, versus Linux getting support from the entire community, some paid, some not, but always someone who has in some way or another contributed to the code directly. Drivers are open source, again made by the community, anyone with some programming knowledgde can contribute to it. both these cards I need help with are in the official release of the kernel, for some reason I am missing an option or a package somewhere along the lines that needs to be set. Thats all. |
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Post by bladesfist on Jun 1, 2014 11:16:59 GMT -5
Linux is not even viable as a gaming platform as it lacks support. As for Windows memory usage it does not really matter when I have 16GB of ram in my system and CPU usage is very minimal when windows is idling. Skype is currently using more CPU than windows which shows you just how small it's footprint is. False. In fact, it has more support than that of microsoft. How you say? Microsoft pays a limited number of employees, which are usually just college kids working in call centers, versus Linux getting support from the entire community, some paid, some not, but always someone who has in some way or another contributed to the code directly. I was not talking about internal support. As I said before there is no point saving a few system resources and then losing them to terrible driver support. |
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Post by AuTo on Jun 1, 2014 11:18:02 GMT -5
I edited that a bit after you replied.
But yes, guess who owns skype..
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Post by bladesfist on Jun 1, 2014 11:20:50 GMT -5
Linux is not even viable as a gaming platform as it lacks support. As for Windows memory usage it does not really matter when I have 16GB of ram in my system and CPU usage is very minimal when windows is idling. Skype is currently using more CPU than windows which shows you just how small it's footprint is. False. In fact, it has more support than that of microsoft. How you say? Microsoft pays a limited number of employees, which are usually just college kids working in call centers, versus Linux getting support from the entire community, some paid, some not, but always someone who has in some way or another contributed to the code directly. Drivers are open source, again made by the community, anyone with some programming knowledgde can contribute to it. both these cards I need help with are in the official release of the kernel, for some reason I am missing an option or a package somewhere along the lines that needs to be set. Thats all. Open source graphics drivers sound like hell lol. All the things people hate about open source but now with the possibility of bricking your system. |
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Post by AuTo on Jun 1, 2014 11:44:14 GMT -5
False. In fact, it has more support than that of microsoft. How you say? Microsoft pays a limited number of employees, which are usually just college kids working in call centers, versus Linux getting support from the entire community, some paid, some not, but always someone who has in some way or another contributed to the code directly. Drivers are open source, again made by the community, anyone with some programming knowledgde can contribute to it. both these cards I need help with are in the official release of the kernel, for some reason I am missing an option or a package somewhere along the lines that needs to be set. Thats all. Open source graphics drivers sound like hell lol. All the things people hate about open source but now with the possibility of bricking your system. Not even. Where you got that from, I do not know, but it is the number one dumbest thing I have read on the internet this week. I have better driver support on linux than I do windows. I can't throw any piece of hardware I find into a computer and have it work instantly on windows, I can on Linux, plus have access to diagnostics modes on those cards allowing me full developer control over them. |
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Post by MidnytRain on Jun 1, 2014 12:09:56 GMT -5
I can't throw any piece of hardware I find into a computer and have it work instantly on windows, I can on Linux Why is that? |
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Post by bladesfist on Jun 1, 2014 12:41:26 GMT -5
Open source graphics drivers sound like hell lol. All the things people hate about open source but now with the possibility of bricking your system. Not even. Where you got that from, I do not know, but it is the number one dumbest thing I have read on the internet this week. I have better driver support on linux than I do windows. I can't throw any piece of hardware I find into a computer and have it work instantly on windows, I can on Linux, plus have access to diagnostics modes on those cards allowing me full developer control over them. Open source development is normally a nightmare, less structure, more security problems and huge amounts of conflicting styles and approaches. Are you saying you did not know a driver can brick a system? I dare you to try and look through a few open source projects and look how much horrible code and undocumented features are in it. "I can't throw any piece of hardware I find into a computer and have it work instantly on windows, I can on Linux, plus have access to diagnostics modes on those cards allowing me full developer control over them." That's a load of crap. |
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Post by AuTo on Jun 1, 2014 12:55:20 GMT -5
Not even. Where you got that from, I do not know, but it is the number one dumbest thing I have read on the internet this week. I have better driver support on linux than I do windows. I can't throw any piece of hardware I find into a computer and have it work instantly on windows, I can on Linux, plus have access to diagnostics modes on those cards allowing me full developer control over them. Open source development is normally a nightmare, less structure, more security problems and huge amounts of conflicting styles and approaches. Are you saying you did not know a driver can brick a system? I dare you to try and look through a few open source projects and look how much horrible code and undocumented features are in it. "I can't throw any piece of hardware I find into a computer and have it work instantly on windows, I can on Linux, plus have access to diagnostics modes on those cards allowing me full developer control over them." That's a load of crap. Are you trying to make number one of all time? Open source is by far more secure than closed source. Why? Open source everyone can see the code and fix it. Within 24 hours of a security flaw being discovered in open source, it will be fixed. While in closed source, it is usually kept hidden, secret for years. Take Internet Explorer for example, it took Microsoft EIGHT YEARS to fix a zero-day exploit. Have you ever looked at bugzilla, or even know what a repository is? |
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Post by bladesfist on Jun 1, 2014 13:06:15 GMT -5
Open source development is normally a nightmare, less structure, more security problems and huge amounts of conflicting styles and approaches. Are you saying you did not know a driver can brick a system? I dare you to try and look through a few open source projects and look how much horrible code and undocumented features are in it. "I can't throw any piece of hardware I find into a computer and have it work instantly on windows, I can on Linux, plus have access to diagnostics modes on those cards allowing me full developer control over them." That's a load of crap. Are you trying to make number one of all time? Open source is by far more secure than closed source. Why? Open source everyone can see the code and fix it. Within 24 hours of a security flaw being discovered in open source, it will be fixed. While in closed source, it is usually kept hidden, secret for years. Take Internet Explorer for example, it took Microsoft EIGHT YEARS to fix a zero-day exploit. Have you ever looked at bugzilla, or even know what a repository is? Lol within 24 hours. Take a look at Open SSH and heartbleed took how long to fix? Having your code open makes it easier to find flaws and exploit them. Not everybody has the intention of reporting it and there is evidence that heartbleed was being exploited long before it was reported. No I have not and what does a repository have to do with this conversation? You are assuming that a big proportion of people who use open source software even review the code. I know for sure I do not, and not just because of how badly it is documented in general. |
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Post by duplissi on Jun 1, 2014 13:13:26 GMT -5
Are you trying to make number one of all time? Open source is by far more secure than closed source. Why? Open source everyone can see the code and fix it. Within 24 hours of a security flaw being discovered in open source, it will be fixed. While in closed source, it is usually kept hidden, secret for years. Take Internet Explorer for example, it took Microsoft EIGHT YEARS to fix a zero-day exploit. Have you ever looked at bugzilla, or even know what a repository is? Lol within 24 hours. Take a look at Open SSH and heartbleed took how long to fix? Having your code open makes it easier to find flaws and exploit them. Not everybody has the intention of reporting it and there is evidence that heartbleed was being exploited long before it was reported. No I have not and what does a repository have to do with this conversation? You are assuming that a big proportion of people who use open source software even review the code. I know for sure I do not, and not just because of how badly it is documented in general. This is a dumb argument, the most secure systems in the world run on linux. Chrome which is the most secure and fastest browser is based on the open source chromium. Besides being open source does not mean that it will be flawless... |
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Post by bladesfist on Jun 1, 2014 13:18:14 GMT -5
Lol within 24 hours. Take a look at Open SSH and heartbleed took how long to fix? Having your code open makes it easier to find flaws and exploit them. Not everybody has the intention of reporting it and there is evidence that heartbleed was being exploited long before it was reported. No I have not and what does a repository have to do with this conversation? You are assuming that a big proportion of people who use open source software even review the code. I know for sure I do not, and not just because of how badly it is documented in general. This is a dumb argument, the most secure systems in the world run on linux. Chrome which is the most secure and fastest browser is based on the open source chromium. Besides being open source does not mean that it will be flawless... "This is a dumb argument, the most secure systems in the world run on linux." And one of the biggest security issues in recent history happened primarily on linux. So what? Handing people your blueprints makes it much easier to find flaws full stop. What people do with that is up to them. Never heard of security through obscurity? Why do you think people suggest hiding the name of your web server from clients? Security through obscurity. "Chrome which is the most secure and fastest browser is based on the open source chromium." No it's not. Chrome and Firefox are the two least secure browsers and guess what they are open source, internet explorer wins and is guess what. secunia.com/vulnerability-review/browser_security.htmlI was talking about drivers being open source, not open source in general. |
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Post by AuTo on Jun 1, 2014 13:18:46 GMT -5
Are you trying to make number one of all time? Open source is by far more secure than closed source. Why? Open source everyone can see the code and fix it. Within 24 hours of a security flaw being discovered in open source, it will be fixed. While in closed source, it is usually kept hidden, secret for years. Take Internet Explorer for example, it took Microsoft EIGHT YEARS to fix a zero-day exploit. Have you ever looked at bugzilla, or even know what a repository is? Lol within 24 hours. Take a look at Open SSH and heartbleed took how long to fix? Having your code open makes it easier to find flaws and exploit them. Not everybody has the intention of reporting it and there is evidence that heartbleed was being exploited long before it was reported. No I have not and what does a repository have to do with this conversation? You are assuming that a big proportion of people who use open source software even review the code. I know for sure I do not, and not just because of how badly it is documented in general. Lol heartbleed. It was discovered April 3rd and fixed April 7th. Whereas 8 years for well known bugs in windows that were most likely used on you by kids? Hotfixes and workarounds were available as soon as the bug was reported. What is 1% of 35 million? |
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