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Post by coolbeans on Dec 29, 2015 14:44:12 GMT -5
Admittedly, I know I'm going to go on condescension overload here. That's only b/c of some reactions I've seen to this. So last E3 Nintendo announced a new Metroid game for the 3DS. Here's a trailer: Unsurprisingly, people weren't too happy about this new game; so much so, that a change.org petition has been made ( www.change.org/p/nintendo-petition-for-cancelation-of-metroid-prime-federation-force ) and currently has over 23k signatures. Since all this "SJW/Cultural Marxism/whatever" talk regarding free speech and worries of censorship have been continuously recycled, I've been curious about whether or not this particular instance would be viewed in the same light. Does this effort by fans of the series deserve a similar kind of uproarious backlash by the community in the name of defending Nintendo's artistic integrity? And before someone mentions that a petition merely issuing demands has no tangible way of enforcing their will upon Nintendo by force, I should point out that such a heated reaction could still lead to possible self-censorship, which--judging by how volatile a reaction that usually gets--can almost be perceived as the moral equivalent of the dev studio being burned down by rioters. What are your thoughts? |
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Post by xHeavYx on Dec 29, 2015 15:38:22 GMT -5
I can understand the fans. They have been waiting for so long for a Metroid game and they get that crap?
I don't think it's censorship in any way though. I think it's pretty similar to the Xbox reveal fiasco. There is an easy way for Nintendo to fix this though, announce a proper Metroid game when you reveal the new console.
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Post by garrettbobbyferguson on Dec 29, 2015 15:45:32 GMT -5
Any attempt to get something not released is censorship. Just because I don't like SJW pandering and such, doesn't mean it can't be made. I just don't want it infesting my games (for example).
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Post by coolbeans on Dec 29, 2015 15:52:34 GMT -5
I can understand the fans. They have been waiting for so long for a Metroid game and they get that crap? I don't think it's censorship in any way though. I think it's pretty similar to the Xbox reveal fiasco. There is an easy way for Nintendo to fix this though, announce a proper Metroid game when you reveal the new console. So it depends on the people, and their circumstances, making the demands for a creative work's cancellation to be considered censorship? |
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Post by xHeavYx on Dec 29, 2015 15:58:00 GMT -5
You can't consider this censorship just because a bunch of fat virgins are unhappy with the game and started a petition. And if Nintendo decides not to launch the game because of the feedback, then that's just Nintendo making a business choice. Maybe there is an alternative universe where Nintendo is obligated to not launch the game if the petition reaches 25k signatures, and that's true censorship, but that's not the case here.
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Post by coolbeans on Dec 29, 2015 16:04:11 GMT -5
You can't consider this censorship just because a bunch of fat virgins are unhappy with the game and started a petition. And if Nintendo decides not to launch the game because of the feedback, then that's just Nintendo making a business choice. Maybe there is an alternative universe where Nintendo is obligated to not launch the game if the petition reaches 25k signatures, and that's true censorship, but that's not the case here. I never considered that it was. This is a possibility I suggested towards the end of my first post. Wouldn't such actions as what you're describing here be considered self-censorship, then? |
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Post by garrettbobbyferguson on Dec 29, 2015 17:06:58 GMT -5
You can't consider this censorship just because a bunch of fat virgins are unhappy with the game and started a petition. And if Nintendo decides not to launch the game because of the feedback, then that's just Nintendo making a business choice. Maybe there is an alternative universe where Nintendo is obligated to not launch the game if the petition reaches 25k signatures, and that's true censorship, but that's not the case here. It's an attempt at censorship. Having something removed/disappear/never seeing the light of day because you don't like it is a form of censorship. |
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Post by xHeavYx on Dec 29, 2015 17:08:17 GMT -5
You can't consider this censorship just because a bunch of fat virgins are unhappy with the game and started a petition. And if Nintendo decides not to launch the game because of the feedback, then that's just Nintendo making a business choice. Maybe there is an alternative universe where Nintendo is obligated to not launch the game if the petition reaches 25k signatures, and that's true censorship, but that's not the case here. It's an attempt at censorship. Having something removed/disappear/never seeing the light of day because you don't like it is a form of censorship. It's not, as I said, it's a bunch of losers being a bunch of losers. They are not attempting to censor the game, they are just being stupid. |
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Post by garrettbobbyferguson on Dec 29, 2015 19:10:29 GMT -5
It's an attempt at censorship. Having something removed/disappear/never seeing the light of day because you don't like it is a form of censorship. It's not, as I said, it's a bunch of losers being a bunch of losers. They are not attempting to censor the game, they are just being stupid. They're attempting to get it cancelled. |
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Post by xHeavYx on Dec 29, 2015 21:46:42 GMT -5
So, if I start a petition today to cancel Uncharted 4,I'm on the same boat?
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Post by garrettbobbyferguson on Dec 29, 2015 21:59:34 GMT -5
So, if I start a petition today to cancel Uncharted 4,I'm on the same boat? Yes, you didn't make that connection yet? |
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Post by xHeavYx on Dec 29, 2015 22:04:59 GMT -5
So, if I start a petition today to cancel Uncharted 4,I'm on the same boat? Yes, you didn't make that connection yet? The fact that you'd take me seriously if I started a petition like that is part of what's wrong. |
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Post by garrettbobbyferguson on Dec 29, 2015 22:19:48 GMT -5
Yes, you didn't make that connection yet? The fact that you'd take me seriously if I started a petition like that is part of what's wrong. I would have to make the assumption you're trolling as I couldn't know that. |
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Post by xHeavYx on Dec 29, 2015 22:29:32 GMT -5
The fact that you'd take me seriously if I started a petition like that is part of what's wrong. I would have to make the assumption you're trolling as I couldn't know that. Please, you are smarter than that. |
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Post by garrettbobbyferguson on Dec 29, 2015 22:58:35 GMT -5
I would have to make the assumption you're trolling as I couldn't know that. Please, you are smarter than that. You think the people who want this game to be cancelled are trolling? Have you seen the legitimate hate it received when it was revealed? |
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Post by coolbeans on Dec 30, 2015 20:14:10 GMT -5
So, if I start a petition today to cancel Uncharted 4,I'm on the same boat? Therein lies the rub I was interested in getting at. Let's say--hypothetically--you did go through a petition for a minor change, people rallied behind it, and that did influence ND's thinking to change something in UC4, would you then consider yourself as having a role in their self-censorship? This is what I like: I wanted to push questions and see where people land on this. Part of what inspired this forum post was how the "anti-censorship" crowd liked to bleat over and over on the Australia Target petition scernario, Pillars of Eternity limerick fiasco, and other instances and yet show a contradictory or lax behavior here ( n4g.com/news/1748323/the-fan-reaction-to-metroid-prime-federation-force-was-an-embarrassment-to-the-gaming-industry ) just b/c of who's behind it. |
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Post by kionicwarlord222 on Dec 30, 2015 21:58:16 GMT -5
This has nothing to do with your topic episodicbeans...
But this game is a disaster.
Nintendo....this aint metroid.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 23:44:14 GMT -5
So, if I start a petition today to cancel Uncharted 4,I'm on the same boat? Therein lies the rub I was interested in getting at. Let's say--hypothetically--you did go through a petition for a minor change, people rallied behind it, and that did influence ND's thinking to change something in UC4, would you then consider yourself as having a role in their self-censorship? This is what I like: I wanted to push questions and see where people land on this. Part of what inspired this forum post was how the "anti-censorship" crowd liked to bleat over and over on the Australia Target petition scernario, Pillars of Eternity limerick fiasco, and other instances and yet show a contradictory or lax behavior here ( n4g.com/news/1748323/the-fan-reaction-to-metroid-prime-federation-force-was-an-embarrassment-to-the-gaming-industry ) just b/c of who's behind it. As for your UC4 example there is a line between getting feedback and implementing it vs censorship. When sucker punch got a ton of negative feedback for their new look of Cole in infamous 2, they revisited his design and changed it. Feedback vs self censorship? What about Dante in DmC? Feedback vs self cencoship? At what point do you consider feedback as an act of censorship? Speaking out against a game's existence isn't necessarily censorship when you are providing feedback that we don't want this time of game. Sometimes it's a way to gauge the game's potential success when it comes to new directions of franchises, like Halo Wars and the mixed reception by its fans. Do people really want a FPS version of FF? Do we want cinematic linear JRPGs like FF13? Did SE self censor themselves when the made FF13-2/3 more non-linear? Or did they just listen to the feedback from the fans. Not everything is censorship, but self censorship does exist (MGS Revengance comes to mind where blood was switched out for oil among many other games-- some had green blood (MK of course)) I have no knowledge nor interest in the metroid series and its future, so I won't really say anything about that scenario. |
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Post by Christopher on Dec 31, 2015 8:33:38 GMT -5
I don't consider it censorship until it's a change made post release of some sort based on criticism and not their personal decision. Up until that point, it's feedback.
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Post by xHeavYx on Dec 31, 2015 8:58:42 GMT -5
I don't consider it censorship until it's a change made post release of some sort based on criticism and not their personal decision. Up until that point, it's feedback. But if they made a stupid decision, and making the change benefits them financially, is it still censorship? Was the Xbox One censored then? Just close this thread already, lol. |
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